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 Post subject: Real problem need to be adress, before this game die!!!
PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:15 pm 
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I have wait two hours before writting this email to be sure it will be ''nice'' and not just mad stuff

(By the way, sorry for my english, I am french)

That beeing said, Dungeon Crawler companies seems like they have lots of problems

Real store that want to invest in your game, cannot be told each time you do not ship, excuse one after the other

Customs can take up to 1 week, maybe two if you are truly unlucky, not more than 18 days

This game was order more than 20 days ago by lots of companies, and we now hear, only starters was send ??? I know some playmat and promo was send, but you need to be ''afraid'' that store will abandon your game, we cannot sell to customers starters only... One of your slogan is : CCG was a dirty word because you are NOT collectible, but we hear that boosters was ''****ed up'' and now some lucky customers who got first print at boosters don't even have the thing you promise which seems to be your highest point of your gamr

I actually don't care about promo for a game I cannot push, starter only wont sell at a store

You now need to come ''clean'' and be honest about the situation, I would prefer an honest answer, and not having to invest $1500+++ for a game I might never received, I have push your game in my newsletter of over 3000 people that read, your game as now become the non-existent game as a running joke between customers

You need to stop conventions, publicity and have a REAL GAME on the market

You are actually telling store, give me your money for nothing in exchange, and need to stop that right now before it is too late

I strongly suggest re-structuring everything, telling us a ''REAL'' honest release date, a one you can truly deliver, not a date you hope to have the product, you need to tell us what will be done to help store and customers that got ''screw'' and be honest

I am sorry if all my post sound bad, but even myself which have been in the business for 15 years, is getting a feeling of a ''joke'' here

All we know is you push the game at conventions, push the game with contest, but there is no actual real game out there. Take this time to go print the set yourself if you have to! Stop contest, stop conventions, stop publicity, and print cards!


Hope this explain how we feel and hope you will learn from all this.
I will keep the starter aside until we actually see a booster for real, until then there is no way I can tell my customers ''here buy a starter, and one day, boosters might appear''


This was my opinion

I do hope in 1-2 weeks, all this will be behind us

Eric
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 Post subject: Re: Real problem need to be adress, before this game die!!!
PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:18 am 
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Hi Eric,

Yes, we have had severe printer and shipping problems, and we are trying to cope with the aftermath. We have been apologizing for months now for our printer’s mistakes to which the only response we have gotten to this has been "this has never happened before". Everything from being promised the product before June, with a month and half leeway for our original launch date, to having swapped card backs, to being a month and half over our actual street date and missing our GenCon deadline. We are both frustrated and crushed by our entire experience with them.

We did have and are still selling the product - as everything is active, and have been as forthcoming as possible to our customers about the delays and trying to keep everyone updated without airing dirty laundry about our printers.

We have been very open and honest about our situation. Our printers shipped the product 2 months after it was promised to us, after we had already set our release date, started marketing and with over a month and half of cushion time.

I had to order extra product to be air-shipped at my expense to fill our preorders and have some product on hand to sell. When we got that product we discovered the boosters were messed up & demanded a reprint. Our solution was to ship the misprints and offer a brand new booster once they became available for those that pre-ordered (not a bad deal for our customers, and another expense we were willing to take on to keep our customers happy).

We knew our schedule to get the product to GenCon was tight, but with a little luck we could redirect it and land it in NY and have it shipped directly to Indiana - however, the shipment was flagged by customs to be x-rayed, still with a little luck we could make it for the convention, however the x-ray took until Aug 9th.

In the meantime we brought what we had with us to sell, which did not last long, but it was all we had on hand. On the 9th our container was then flagged to be searched by hand which took until Aug 26th. We have finally as of this past Thursday been released from customs (which they bill you for btw) and I have finally had the first opportunity to ship the starters to you and our other storefronts - at EXTRA expense.

It is rumoured to take 2 weeks to clear customs, but we met another company at GenCon that was being held at customs as well and they had already been held for 2 months.

When I sent you the billing I reiterated to you that the starters were still in customs, and that the boosters were still not shipped - I was very upfront with you, but could not give you any firm dates as customs moves as fast/slow as they want. You said it was fine and to ship once I had the product available.

This quote comes directly from our first correspondence on August 11th, 2010.

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Hi Eric,

It is fantastic to hear back from you, your shop is very impressive to say the least! I've known about Carta Magica for a long time now, and it's excellent to have such a strong gaming community onboard with DC as we're just coming on to the market.

Our materials are still in customs, but as soon as we have it released we can ship to you. I've attached a form if you would not mind filling that out for us, we can process your account. We do a X% discount for storefronts and ship for free (as expected).

We would also like to send you prize support based on your order size and the amount of play you will expect. We have promo cards, tshirts and play mats to assist in supporting the game.

Booster boxes should be available by the end of September. Starters alone are not recommended for a competitive scene, but a decent game of multi-player or cooperative can be done with just starters.

I look forward to hearing from you!

Cheers, Jey.


Perhaps there was a miscommunication, and for that I will apologize again. The boosters are on their way overseas, but I will not give any firm dates as my first experience with customs has educated me that it can be cleared in 2 days, 30 days or even later.

I would have preferred speaking to you about this in private instead of posting this in a public forum, but I want to address your request for answers.

DC is a solitaire based game that is expandable. It is entertaining dozens of people as a physical in-real-life product as well as those that wish to try it out online. You do not need boosters to enjoy it. It's even a great game using the starters for multi-player. So, DC won't be dying if people continue to enjoy the game.

You have received your promotional materials and the starters will be in your hands this week. Although it could be as late as October before we have the boosters in hand, I am anxious to get them out to you. At this point I am stuck, our printers had to start over from scratch. After I have received my original order from them, I will not be using these printers again. I am getting quotes from local and US businesses to pick up the torch and continue this line, as we have plans to make additional runs of the product as well as create expansion sets. We are just trying to get clear of this difficulty in our production process.

We highly encourage our store fronts to have active gamedays with a fully functional product like the Starter and have even suggested game types and formats for your players. However, if you feel you need to store the product for the next month and half until the boosters are finally available, I trust your judgment, but if they do get their starters and get to play solitaire and multi-player and learn all of the nuances of the game while they wait - at least this will generate more discussion and anticipation over Dungeon Crawler.

Sincerely, Jey.

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 Post subject: Re: Real problem need to be adress, before this game die!!!
PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:05 pm 
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I work for a company that has shipped US to Canada and our shipment was once stuck in customs for 9 Weeks.... I sent product from US to England (very small shipment) and it took 6 weeks... This is becoming a greater problem with each week that passes by.. I think this product is worth the wait and if you have Starter Packs to sell, SELL THEM! I am So greatful to have this pack of cards! I don't need anything else to play! Unlike MTG or other games.

I know I have sent emails about thing and I have been kept informed! I see this current issue will be the only problem for players in the next few months. As DC work out the kinks I think players and stores alike will be happy with the product!

In the next few months I will be opening my own store and DC will be one of the first products that I will stock, demo, and play! Give DC some time and I am sure that this will be a great product for your store!

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 Post subject: Re: Real problem need to be adress, before this game die!!!
PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:22 pm 
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We have resolved Carta Magica's concerns at this time.

They have informed us that they have decided to put their DC release on hold until the boosters arrive.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:56 pm 
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I am glad to hear that beyond so many obstacles that you haven't lost hope and that you have continued to progress with the product.

I think that Dungeon Crawler is a great product and I can't wait to get my reprinted boosters... :whistle:

Since I have the luxury of owning misprinted boosters I can sympathize with other consumers that the product is a must have with the starters.

Not only are you getting a fantastic Starter that is fun in multi-player as well as solitaire, but being able to expand on the starter and introduce cards with higher difficulty and challenge to the pool is outstanding.

I look forward to seeing what you have in store for the future.

Keep up the great work.


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 Post subject: Re: Real problem need to be adress, before this game die!!!
PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:33 pm 
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Starters are available ONLINE or at the STORE

Special prices to apologize for the late-boosters

http://www.cartamagicastore.com/index.p ... x&cPath=61

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 Post subject: Re: Real problem need to be adress, before this game die!!!
PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:23 am 
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Hello Eric,
I think it's a good news :-)
On your website, I don't see information about the promo card for from brick and mortar stores (or FLGS), do you have them. I think it's the 'Trusty Magic Dagger'.

What do we have to do to get them, how many do you give?

Thanks in advance for your answer.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:49 am 
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Carta magica did not get that promo yet . The promo are going to be given during tournament or demo night I think. More news will come from eric.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:26 am 
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I will organize a big RELEASE EVENT when all products for this game is ready

Stay Tuned !

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:30 am 
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Cigal wrote:
On your website, I don't see information about the promo card for from brick and mortar stores (or FLGS), do you have them. I think it's the 'Trusty Magic Dagger'.

What do we have to do to get them, how many do you give?

Trusty Magic Dagger was given out on store preorders, but will return on cycle.

The notes for the promos like "Bonus @ your FLGS #1" is only it's first appearance. :)

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